TRANSLATION:  Has the hon member not realised that as crime has escalated to such levels, we really should unite and co-operate in order to have police powers devolved to the Province so that the economy could benefit and police could be in charge.  T/E
(pg 2 ln 29)

TRANSLATION:  I am rising, Mr Speaker, to pose a question to the Minister of Education regarding these questions.  It seems as if in her Department, the work is spread out quite a lot.  Maybe if she shifts the functions done at Truro House back to Ulundi, will it not help her?  T/E  
(pg 36 ln 26)

TRANSLATION:  I thought that maybe the hon member, Inkosi Mathaba was asking about the written questions.  Anyway, I think we should proceed my Inkosi.  The first question of 1999.  T/ 
(pg 37 ln 34)

TRANSLATION:  No, I am also grateful, sir, that you ask that and not say you understood when you did not.

I am saying that the computers and programmes used to do work will continue being used well beyond 1999 because the machines have now been upgraded.

When you go to the shop to buy a computer, you must ask whether it is appropriate for use in the year 2000.  Do not buy a computer that can only be used in 1999 or 98 just because it is cheap.  But, you must buy one that is Y2K compliant.  T/E
(pg 74 ln 1)

[My child, you are not going to put words into my mouth]
(pg 74 ln 4)

[The hon member, Mr Edwards].
(pg 100 ln 8)

[Let us proceed.  The hon Minister of Finance].
(pg 100 ln 8)\

[The hon member Mr Nel]
(pg 102 ln 7)

[Let us proceed].
(pg 138 ln 27)

[Let us proceed].
(pg 139 ln 6)

[Let us proceed.  Question 57.  The hon Minister of Safety and Security].
(pg 147 ln 2)

[The hon member Mr Cele]
(pg 148 ln 2)

[Let me give an opportunity to the hon member Mr Waugh].
(pg 149 ln 12)

[Let me proceed and give an opportunity to the hon member, Mr Cele so that he can respond in terms of Rule 74(1)].
(pg 149 ln 21)

[I am giving you an opportunity to maybe explain in terms or Rule 74(1)].
(pg 149 ln 26)

TRANSLATION:  Let me explain in my language.  I was thinking that the hon member is rising to utilise Rule 74 (1) in order to explain the situation.  To explain and not to ask about the situation pertaining to you.  Therefore, I was using that right, thinking that that was his intention because he had said he wanted to explain.  I then allowed it in terms of Rule 74 (1). T/E
(pg 150 ln 9)

[I would like to give the hon member an opportunity to respond regarding what he says about this word.  Mr Cele].
(pg 150 ln 26)

TRANSLATION:  Sir I would like to repeat that the hon Minister is lying when he says my mother is employed here.  I am saying I do not have a mother.  I am told MaMtshali, Nokuwela died shortly after I was born, when I was only nine months old.  So he must explain where this mother who is recorded here comes from.  T/E 
(pg 150 ln 32)

TRANSLATION:  I think Mr Speaker, we are referring to the word that the Minister is lying.  We are saying that is not included in the Rules of this House.  Therefore, we ask that the member withdraws those words.

Even yesterday, other members were made to withdraw similar words.  Yet today, why is it that the hon Bheki Cele will not withdraw his?

Yesterday, Mr Ntombela was made to withdraw similar words, today, why does he not withdraw?  T/E 
(pg 151 ln 7)

[My people, my hon colleagues in this House, Rule 70 states:]
(pg 151 ln 14)

TRANSLATION:  Therefore, I ask that appropriate and respectful language be used in this hon House by hon members.  I ask that members use appropriate language that gives dignity to every person.  T/E
(pg 151 ln 23)

[I think that I will respond to the member in the next sitting after I have properly examined whether or not he said something wrong].
(pg 151 ln 35)

[That is why I am saying to the hon member, I will give him the answer the next time.  I am pleased].  Let us move on.
(pg 152 ln 4)

TRANSLATION:  Thank you very much Speaker.  The hon member, Mr Cele's mother died and then he was raised by his mother, Mrs Madlala to whom I am referring.  In Zulu a person who raised you is your mother.  Even now I am saying his mother is employed.  I am not lying when I say that.  She is employed in the same way that our daughter is employed.  His mother.  T/E 
(pg 152 ln 21)

.[I think that the member ...]
(pg 152 ln 26)

[Where I grew up and how].
(pg 153 ln 9)

[I ask that the member sit down, if not...]
(pg 153 ln 20)

TRANSLATION:  Mr Speaker, sir, I think that a precedence was set today, that it is parliamentary to say a person is lying.  In future, if I say the same thing, it should not be a problem to this House.  I am very pleased.  T/E
(pg 154 ln 23)

TRANSLATION:  I think that the problem is that Rule 70 does not explain how far this goes regarding unparliamentary language and unbecoming language.  I think one will have to sit down and consider this Rule with the aim of properly explaining it.  A person sitting here as Speaker will then be in a better position to take forthright decisions.  Therefore, we will thoroughly examine this issue.  Thank you.  Let us proceed. T/E
(pg 154 ln 30)

[I thought we would proceed and see how Rule 70 stands].
(pg 155 ln 17)

[I think the member who asked the question agrees with that]
(pg 159 ln 3)

[Let us continue.  Question 59 of 1999]
(pg 159 ln 4)

TRANSLATION:  I would like to follow on what the hon member said.  Is the hon's Portfolio, maybe, not appropriate to provide full information on such a situation]?
(pg 159 ln 29)

[Please repeat Inkosi, It seems as if the hon member did not hear properly].
(pg 159 ln 31)

[I was saying to the hon member.... keep quiet you mad person]
(pg 159 ln 33)

[Please speak to the hon member.  Please proceed with explaining your question].
(pg 159 ln 35)

[I would ask Inkosi to withdraw those words "mad person"].
(pg 160 ln 5)

[No, I just observed his physique ....].
(pg 160 ln 7)

[I ask Inkosi to please withdraw those words "mad person"].
(pg 160 ln 9)

[A member spoke here, Speaker, saying the hon member was lying].
(pg 160 ln 11)

[Let us please withdraw the words that a member is a mad person]
(pg 160 ln 13)

[No, because you say so Speaker, I am sorry hon Dumisani Makhaye, but ...].
(pg 160 ln 15)

[The acting].
(pg 160 ln 18)

[The member must please ask the question].
(pg 160 ln 20)

RANSLATION:  No, I was saying, Mr Speaker, did the hon member not think that maybe his Portfolio could intervene in a matter such as the one raised by the member?  T/E
(pg 160 ln 25)

[The hon Minister]
(pg 160 ln 27)

[I am not acting for your mother].
(pg 160 ln 29)

[Let us proceed.  I would like the hon member to respond]
(pg 160 ln 33)

[Thank you Speaker, I would be very pleased].
(pg 160 ln 35)

[I think that the hon member who asked that question agrees with that.  Thank you.  Then we move on.  Well, we have come to end of the questions].
(pg 161 ln 25)


[Are you her spokesperson?  She is here she must speak].  [LAUGHTER]
(pg 76 ln 16)

[Thank you hon member].
(pg 79 ln 31)



